Curse

nekopowa · Dec 26, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by dasboot123

well gj Chiossen is new boss taht I should try on. Btw do you face the same problems as I do when you are killing Ghial ???

My problem is that sometimes there is few mesmer around the Ghial and whenever i cast the sliver they interrupt me often and i fail.....

I bet you had the lucky zone to kill the Ghial..... however I killed him easily without getting interrupted by sigent from mesmer. If you had the same zone as I did, I bet you are gona FAIL TOO

Yep there's an occasional interrupt, i simply cast my skills a bit earlier or use coverup skills that i dont need so they get interrupted before the important ones.

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Originally Posted by dasboot123

Try these new boss that are in factions: Cho the Spirit Empath, Baubao the Wavewrath, Chung the Attuned, Mina Shatter Storm, and Rien the Martyr.

They are easy to kill way way way easier than constructs.

I'll check them out, still gotta unlock a lot of the kurzick area, but lazy to farm 10k factions argh.

And for the record, I didn't do the vids to brag - just to show people some easy bosses to farm and how to do it.
Feel free to make your own, i'm not in a competition or anything, just contributing. And i think it'd be really cool if we had an archive of vids for each boss

ibex333 · Dec 28, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Can anyone link me to the thread that was started by the creator of this build? I cant find it, and I need it because it described kaolin farming.

Evilsod · Dec 29, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10043137

The original thread link.

ibex333 · Dec 30, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

I want to farm the kaolin prot staff with my assasin, but the door to monks construct is CLOSED!! It's open for everyone else in their farming videos, but it's closed for me! What gives?

EDIT: Never mind. I have to do Sunjiang District (Mission).

By the way, can anyone tell me what extra skillz I need for him? I bet since he's a monk, he must be very hard to take down.

MercenaryKnight · Dec 30, 2006, 01:16 AM // 01:16

I was just looking at this build and I know the deaths charge is the main skill besides shadow form to keep you alive. But I was wondering, wouldn't it be possible to go e/r and use the permanent obsidian flesh tank build with sliver armor to kill bosses too? Serpent's quickness would decrease the recharge of sliver armor too and keep it up permanently along with obsidian flesh and maybe some other tanking enchants.

I was just trying to find a way to farm without the assassin elite so I don't have to get my elementalist through cantha.

ibex333 · Dec 30, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

This is so strange... this build doesnt work against a single boss I tried in Factions... The sliver armor NEVER lasts long enough. I thought it was originally designed to farm factions, yet it simply doesnt work...

Take Sskai for example... I tried him many times.. My sliver armor ends, then my shadow form, and I just die....

When I try Geoffer, his pals simply own me THROUGH shadow form. How they do that, is beyound me.

I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..

Evilsod · Dec 31, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

I was just looking at this build and I know the deaths charge is the main skill besides shadow form to keep you alive. But I was wondering, wouldn't it be possible to go e/r and use the permanent obsidian flesh tank build with sliver armor to kill bosses too? Serpent's quickness would decrease the recharge of sliver armor too and keep it up permanently along with obsidian flesh and maybe some other tanking enchants.

I was just trying to find a way to farm without the assassin elite so I don't have to get my elementalist through cantha.

I never said it wouldn't. But unless you can cover for degen and indirect spells like Death Nova, Mystic Twister, etc, your going to die, particularly the armour ignoring ones anyway. And Shadow Form is hardly a trek... you can cap it in Vizunah Square for christ sake.

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I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..

Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E. Stop been a tool and use your head. And yes, all the Constructs in Sunjuing are killable using Rust, Shadow Refuge and Deaths Charge. Even the Ranger Construct... you just need the mother of all agro's to do it (hence why ive only ever done it once).

ibex333 · Dec 31, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E. Stop been a tool and use your head. And yes, all the Constructs in Sunjuing are killable using Rust, Shadow Refuge and Deaths Charge. Even the Ranger Construct... you just need the mother of all agro's to do it (hence why ive only ever done it once).

Ok... so no Sskai... But with 10 seconds of sliver armor, I truly need the mother of all aggros to kill anything. Mabe it's because you do it with an ele and I do it with an assasin?

MercenaryKnight · Dec 31, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

I never said it wouldn't. But unless you can cover for degen and indirect spells like Death Nova, Mystic Twister, etc, your going to die, particularly the armour ignoring ones anyway. And Shadow Form is hardly a trek... you can cap it in Vizunah Square for christ sake.

Well, I wasn't sure but doesn't shadow form not protect you from the same indirect spells? I was just kind of thinking pure earth and serpent's quickness with maybe trolls ungent could do alright to keep tanking enemies longer while they kill the boss and survive more. Or maybe even e/d with the mystic regent enchant.

I didn't know that it was in vizunah square. I will go try to cap that as soon as I can.

I was just kind of wondering if maybe it'd be more survivable with a permanent obsidian flesh and tank spells, while being able to do more damage and stuff.

It was just a suggestion since I personally suck at coming up with builds.

SongofSerenity · Dec 31, 2006, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by ibex333

This is so strange... this build doesnt work against a single boss I tried in Factions... The sliver armor NEVER lasts long enough. I thought it was originally designed to farm factions, yet it simply doesnt work...

Take Sskai for example... I tried him many times.. My sliver armor ends, then my shadow form, and I just die....

When I try Geoffer, his pals simply own me THROUGH shadow form. How they do that, is beyound me.

I tried Kaolin farming... Sliver armor always ends before I take away even half of the boss's life. I followed the build exactly, and I'm not new to farming at all, but this simply doesnt work..

I've made over 500k farming as an A/E so the build most decidedly does work (granted most of that was back when greens were actually worth something). Although I have not attempted to farm Sskai and Geoffer, I have successfully farmed the following (and by successful, I don't mean I killed him once out of twenty tries.. I mean consistently killed): Jayne Forestlight, Strongroot Tanglebranch, Sunreach Warmaker, The Scar Eater, Monk's Construct, Sessk Woe Spreader, Oni for Ungues of the Oni, Chor the Bladed, Eshim Mindclouder, Zehnehlun Fastfoot, Shrieker of Dread, Onslaught of Terror, and Tureksin the Delegator. The reason I'm listing this is to say that A/E farming is, in my opinion, the fastest, most effective ways to farm greens.

Here is my advice:

Ensure you have 12 earth magic (duh), Glyph of Elemental Power, Enchantments last 20% longer right hand. That will give you at least 13 seconds of sliver armor with 35 earth damage. I use an Earth Magic +1 (20%) offhand, but I don't think I've ever needed it.
Begin by farming Sessk Woe Spreader outside of Eredon Terrace. Although the Woe Spreader isn't worth 30+k anymore, it's a relatively easy farm and it's a short walk.
If it fails to target the boss or you can see that it's not going to kill the boss, simply Dash/Dark Escape away to recover and try again.
Use the damage monitor to see what is hitting you through Shadow Form. This may be useful in adjusting your skills to counter if it's only one skill that's getting through. If not consider bringing Feigned Neutrality for the added armor and life regeneration.
Shadow of Haste may be necessary in the more difficult areas to run away using a stance cancel.
Practice. It's easy once you get the hang of it, but it's difficult to get the hang of. Don't get discouraged.

I hope this helps you out.

Cambeul · Dec 31, 2006, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

Edit: my weapon of choice is Galigord's Staff, though I haven't really looked at other stuff.

Have not read through all of post, but I find a Melee weapon the best choice. Totem Axe, HoD sword or whatever. As I find when you melee a target your sliver armor targets him as well, but with a staff it is sometimes random. I dont know if that will help anyone out with this or not?

Evilsod · Jan 01, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by Cambeul

Have not read through all of post, but I find a Melee weapon the best choice. Totem Axe, HoD sword or whatever. As I find when you melee a target your sliver armor targets him as well, but with a staff it is sometimes random. I dont know if that will help anyone out with this or not?

Not really. Holding a melee weapon triggers anti-melee attacks to target you, including things like Throw Dirt, which brings more things closer to you. Which is never a good thing.

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Well, I wasn't sure but doesn't shadow form not protect you from the same indirect spells? I was just kind of thinking pure earth and serpent's quickness with maybe trolls ungent could do alright to keep tanking enemies longer while they kill the boss and survive more. Or maybe even e/d with the mystic regent enchant.

Well yeah... but at least with thsi you can run Dark Escape or just bring Shadow Refuge and attack to get the bonus health. Either way you should be a safe distance from anything when you cancel Shadow of Haste.

ibex333 · Jan 03, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by SongofSerenity

I've made over 500k farming as an A/E so the build most decidedly does work (granted most of that was back when greens were actually worth something). Although I have not attempted to farm Sskai and Geoffer, I have successfully farmed the following (and by successful, I don't mean I killed him once out of twenty tries.. I mean consistently killed): Jayne Forestlight, Strongroot Tanglebranch, Sunreach Warmaker, The Scar Eater, Monk's Construct, Sessk Woe Spreader, Oni for Ungues of the Oni, Chor the Bladed, Eshim Mindclouder, Zehnehlun Fastfoot, Shrieker of Dread, Onslaught of Terror, and Tureksin the Delegator. The reason I'm listing this is to say that A/E farming is, in my opinion, the fastest, most effective ways to farm greens.

Here is my advice:

Ensure you have 12 earth magic (duh), Glyph of Elemental Power, Enchantments last 20% longer right hand. That will give you at least 13 seconds of sliver armor with 35 earth damage. I use an Earth Magic +1 (20%) offhand, but I don't think I've ever needed it.
Begin by farming Sessk Woe Spreader outside of Eredon Terrace. Although the Woe Spreader isn't worth 30+k anymore, it's a relatively easy farm and it's a short walk.
If it fails to target the boss or you can see that it's not going to kill the boss, simply Dash/Dark Escape away to recover and try again.
Use the damage monitor to see what is hitting you through Shadow Form. This may be useful in adjusting your skills to counter if it's only one skill that's getting through. If not consider bringing Feigned Neutrality for the added armor and life regeneration.
Shadow of Haste may be necessary in the more difficult areas to run away using a stance cancel.
Practice. It's easy once you get the hang of it, but it's difficult to get the hang of. Don't get discouraged.

I hope this helps you out.

I thin Anet nerfed the build somehow... I did everything exactly like you said, and still the build doesnt work. I tried the mesmers construct, but sliver armor refuses to target him. Sometimes it starts hitting him for 3-4 sec, but then switches to nearest warrior that's pounding on me. I tried again.. and again, and again... many many times. Sliver armor doesnt target the boss it always targets someone else.

Then I tried Ssyn Coiled Clasp.. same thing... sliver armor always targets something else... either Ssyn's rit spirit, or some random naga nearby.

Same thing happens with Ssun Dwayna's Blessed. Mabe this thing somehow works in Elona, but doesnt work in Cantha anymore.

VitisVinifera · Jan 03, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

it wasn't nerfed, the fact is, sliver armor is pretty tough to get it to target the boss, as it's somewhat random, but also, if it looks like you have your target open, and you teleport to him, when you actually appear there the mob may have reshuffled and you are no longer closest to the target.

I've tried this a lot, and it's best to go for boss mobs where there are no melee fighters (very rare). I can think of an entire 2 bosses in NF that fits this bill, and both can be done easily and consistently. But when you are trying your luck with mixed mobs, it's unreliable at best. However, for certain bosses where it's virtually impossible to farm them any other way, this is probably the best there is.

I run about every type of farmer/soloer there is, and this one is the most frustrating. Personally I'm having a lot of fun atm with the a/me tombs soloer.

SongofSerenity · Jan 03, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by ibex333

I thin Anet nerfed the build somehow... I did everything exactly like you said, and still the build doesnt work. I tried the mesmers construct, but sliver armor refuses to target him. Sometimes it starts hitting him for 3-4 sec, but then switches to nearest warrior that's pounding on me. I tried again.. and again, and again... many many times. Sliver armor doesnt target the boss it always targets someone else.

Then I tried Ssyn Coiled Clasp.. same thing... sliver armor always targets something else... either Ssyn's rit spirit, or some random naga nearby.

Same thing happens with Ssun Dwayna's Blessed. Mabe this thing somehow works in Elona, but doesnt work in Cantha anymore.

I just killed Synn Coiled Grasp (to check to make sure if maybe it there was something about the two bosses you mentioned). Not only are Canthan bosses equally farmable, but their quite easy compared to their Nightfall counterparts due to the lack of Dervishes using untargeted attacks.

Are you using Death's Charge to jump in right next to the boss? Are you using a 20% enchanting weapon?

The build I used was:

Shadow Form
Shadow of Haste
Death's Charge
Glyph of Elemental Power
Sliver Armor
Obsidian Flame
Teinai's Crystals (Crystal Wave)
Dark Escape

Here is a link to a very short video of me killing Exuro Flatus. Despite the fact that his mob is extremely small (and the one I lured was quite small too), and despite Veiled Nightmare, which makes skills cost 40% more, he is still a relatively easy farm using this build. I posted this video because it is very simple and illustrates exactly how the build works. (Note the blank spots on the bar.)

Mistical miss · Jan 04, 2007, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Ah Exuro... if u take the bonus and a scroll with u, u get 1800 xp from that dude alone

(I solo him on my monk...)

Haven't been to DoA with this, but I'm pretty sure it would work, atleast in some area's, there is one area with touchers I believe, I don't think that will be much of a success.. but the others will work... perhaps a good way to get the titan gems which still go for a decent amount of money...

Kelson · Jan 04, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Really? You don't have a chance in hell of farming Sskai with E/A//A/E.

This isn't entirely true, I have managed to kill Sskai as a A/E. There is a group of Oni that spawns near him on occasion, and if you can drag them and his group to him, he can be taken down.
It is a serious pain in the ass, however, and once I managed it once, I gave it up. Far too many easier ways to kill him.

ibex333 · Jan 04, 2007, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by SongofSerenity

I just killed Synn Coiled Grasp (to check to make sure if maybe it there was something about the two bosses you mentioned). Not only are Canthan bosses equally farmable, but their quite easy compared to their Nightfall counterparts due to the lack of Dervishes using untargeted attacks.

Are you using Death's Charge to jump in right next to the boss? Are you using a 20% enchanting weapon?

The build I used was:

Shadow Form
Shadow of Haste
Death's Charge
Glyph of Elemental Power
Sliver Armor
Obsidian Flame
Teinai's Crystals (Crystal Wave)
Dark Escape

Here is a link to a very short video of me killing Exuro Flatus. Despite the fact that his mob is extremely small (and the one I lured was quite small too), and despite Veiled Nightmare, which makes skills cost 40% more, he is still a relatively easy farm using this build. I posted this video because it is very simple and illustrates exactly how the build works. (Note the blank spots on the bar.)

Heh.. You were right.. the build does work. But I can only kill Ssesk Woespreader. In case of the constructs the sliver armor refuses to target them or shadow form ends before they are dead. Mabe I just need more experience. Thank you for your help. I'll keep practicing.

ShadowsRequiem · Jan 04, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Heh.. You were right.. the build does work. But I can only kill Ssesk Woespreader. In case of the constructs the sliver armor refuses to target them or shadow form ends before they are dead. Mabe I just need more experience. Thank you for your help. I'll keep practicing.

Thats the downside of this build. OVer Half the time you will get unlucky and it will not target the boss, you really have to look out for the mobsthat run in after you shadow step to the boss, sunreach was a pain in the ass to do this >_>
so just try, try ,try again

Abyss1 · Jan 10, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Ok in my experience running 3 sliver armor farm builds , E/A, A/E and Mo/E, I can say your luck depends on how spread out the groups are. in general you have a 50/50 chance the attack goes right. some things that can turn the odds are :

-group build, compact groups tend to cause sliver armor to switch target (think of lots of warriors in a group)
-Movement was your target moving when you started sliver armor , in my experience you are more likely to loose the right target if so(this is the case in an early agro for instance).

Typing this up sliver armor is really depended on your target the above two examples are most common that I have come across for loosing the right target.